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Bot: Date category interwiki[modifier le wikicode]

Hi Grondin.

  1. Your bot did not add interwiki to Category:December 31, although it has already added them to Category:January 1. It seems your bot misses this task from time to time. Could you please correct the issue?
  2. Can your bot also check templates and news pages for possible interwiki? I am especially interested in templates, because in Arabic Wikinews where I mostly work template interwiki are located in documentation subpages, and local bots cannot handle them properly.
  3. Another question (least important): why does your bot never add interwiki to today's date, only past dates? --PICAWN (Talk) 2 janvier 2013 à 11:36 (UTC)
    Fait I decided to update interwiki only past dates because some category date ara created in the very last time. -- Bertrand GRONDIN  → (écrire) 2 janvier 2013 à 14:43 (UTC)
Thank you for your reply and swift action. What about my Question 2: can your bot update interwiki in the Main and Template namespace? And can it work with interwiki in documentation subpages? --PICAWN (Talk) 2 janvier 2013 à 19:35 (UTC)
No for the moment about interwiki subpages.-- Bertrand GRONDIN  → (écrire) 2 janvier 2013 à 19:51 (UTC)
Thank you. --PICAWN (Talk) 3 janvier 2013 à 10:50 (UTC)

Another question: I don't know if it is time-consuming, but could your bot check date categories to discover categories deleted from Arabic Wikinews and remove interwiki to them from other languages? For example, the Arabic categories for Category:May 31 and Category:December 21 were deleted recently but interwiki to them still exists. And there are probably many more of them. --PICAWN (Talk) 3 janvier 2013 à 17:50 (UTC)

Wikidata weekly summary #39[modifier le wikicode]

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Wikidata weekly summary #42[modifier le wikicode]

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  • Development
    • Updated demo system
    • Improved design of sites code in core
    • Fixed SQLite compatibility
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    • Useful error messages will be shown in statements user interface in case of data value mismatches
    • Switched the demo system to Labs’ puppet
    • Selenium tests for length constraint, claim edit-conflicts
    • Setting up dispatcher script on internal test machine
    • More work on wikibase.getEntities() function for Scribunto/Lua-Templates
    • AbuseFilter is now working with Wikibase
    • The change dispatcher script is now ready for use on the WMF cluster
    • Initial implementation of {{#property}} parser function for the client
    • Created a widget for the client to connect a page to a Wikidata item and add interwiki language links to a page
    • Preparing a page to list unconnected pages on the clients
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Prise de décision en cours de vote[modifier le wikicode]

Bonjour Bertrand

Il y a un vote en cours sur cette prise de décision et ce serait bien que chacun des administrateurs actif y participe ou en discute.

Merci d'avance pour ta participation.

Yves (discussion) 1 février 2013 à 11:55 (UTC)

Wikidata weekly summary #43[modifier le wikicode]

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  • Development
    • Deployment on the Hebrew and Italian Wikipedia ([1] [2] [3])
    • Switched the Wikipedias over to a new, more scalable dispatching changes script for propagating changes from the repository to the clients
    • Fixing various deeply buried bugs and a few minor bugs reported after deployment
    • Preparations for next deployment on wikidata.org
    • Working on property parser function for the client
    • Implemented robust serialization of changes for dispatching
    • Resumed work on linked data interface
    • References can now be created, edited and removed on existing statements
    • Several minor user interface fixes
    • Styling of the user interface for statements
    • Selenium tests for references
    • Selenium tests for non-JS SpecialPages
    • Worked on puppet
  • Discussions/Press
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    • Test statements on the [demo system before the roll-out to wikidata.org on February 4
    • Hack on one of these
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Admin[modifier le wikicode]

Merci. Amqui (discussion) 2 février 2013 à 22:28 (UTC)

Question sur le nombre de bureaucrates[modifier le wikicode]

Bonjour Bertrand,

Ces derniers temps, je me suis fais une réflexion sur le danger de n'avoir, sur Wikinews, qu'un seul bureaucrate.

J'ai préparé ici un petit texte que je compte publier en salle café, mais je ne veux pas le publier sans t'en parler auparavant. (Et d'ailleurs, comme tu pourras le constater en lisant le commentaire de Letartean dans mon bac à sable, je ne suis pas le seul à penser cela.).

Pourrais-tu, jeter un œil à ce texte et me donner ton avis ?

Je tiens à te le répéter (comme je l'ai déjà indiqué dans ce texte) qu'il n'y a absolument aucune attaque personnelle contre toi et que c'est simplement le fait qu'il n'y ait qu'un seul bureaucrate, et non le fait que ce soit toi, qui me pousse à penser ce que j'ai écrit.

Merci d'avance pour ta réponse.

Yves (discussion) 11 février 2013 à 07:38 (UTC)

Merci Bertrand, je viens de publier en salle café :-) Yves (discussion) 12 février 2013 à 08:35 (UTC)

Je répond ici à votre commentaire sur ma PdD. Étant donné que l'objectif de la discussion préalable à la PDD étant de faire monter le nombre de bureaucrates, mon interrogation/commentaire vise à faire remarquer que si c'est ce que nous voulons, dans ce cas il faudrait s'assurer que les candidats potentiels ne soient pas exclus avec les nouvelles dispositions. Comme vous êtes déjà bureaucrate, que Gfsas aurait pu déjà se proposer pour régler le problème et que les autres admins actifs en ce moment (dans le sens de participants aux affaires courantes) viennent d'être élus, je peux conclure que si nous choisissons des valeurs d'ancienneté de 6 mois ou 1 an comme admin, nous ne pourront pas régler le problème d'ici un an ou six mois. Peut-être qu'une solution serait effectivement de sonder la communauté pour voir qui serait intéressé à devenir bureaucrate pour régler le problème de l'unicité actuelle. Personnellement, je serais prêt à me proposer et je pense que je ferais un bon candidat. Je ne sais pas ce qui en est des autres personnes, peut-être voudraient-elles aussi se présenter. Dans ce cas, nous pourrions faire ceci: faire une élection pour nommer un ou des bureaucrates tout de suite et assortir leur élection d'une obligation de confirmation à l'obtention des critères décidés par la PDD, selon les critères de la PDD. De cette façon, nous aurons patché le problème actuel et prévu pour le futur. Ceci étant dit, je dois faire remarquer que le statut de bureaucrate ne donne pas des pouvoirs extraordinaires et, donc, il ne m'est pas du tout nécessaire. Je me propose pour m'assurer qu'il n'y aura pas de problèmes pour la communauté. J'espère que ceci clarifie un peu plus ce que j'essaie de dire. Amicalement, Letartean (discussion) 12 février 2013 à 20:12 (UTC)

C'est pour cela qu'il faut qu'on en discute calmement.-- Bertrand GRONDIN  → (écrire) 13 février 2013 à 05:47 (UTC)
Je vais tenter de répondre ici, puisque c'est ici qu'il les a formulées, aux interrogations de Letartean. Effectivement, je contribue régulièrement sur Wikinews depuis plus de deux ans et je suis sysop depuis plus d'un an. Il eût pu sembler logique que je postule, en cette année 2013, pour un poste de bureaucrate Clin d'œil Mais ce n'est pas le cas. En effet, j'estime ne pas être le bon candidat car je ne suis actif qu'environ 250 (je ne sais plus compter !...) 225 jours par ans (les jours ouvrés) et je suis complètement absent lors de mes congés, ainsi que les samedis et dimanches...
Pour cette raison, avant de livrer ma réflexion sur le danger de n'avoir qu'un seul bureaucrate, j'avais envisagé une idée un peu folle de proposer la création d'un poste de bureaucrate suppléant (dont l'activité se serait limité à palier l'absence du titulaire, le cas échéant) et de proposer ma candidature à ce poste.
Pour être plus sérieux, il ressort de nos discussions que nous avons effectivement d'au moins un second bureaucrate, mais qu'il n'y a pas urgence à 8 jours (ni même à deux mois). En un peu plus de deux ans, j'ai vu passer des sysop très actifs, mais qui ne le sont plus aujourd'hui... C'est pourquoi je pense qu'une certaine ancienneté dans le poste de sysop est nécessaire pour ne pas risquer d'élire un bureaucrate éphémère ! Je précise donc que l'exigence d'ancienneté n'est nullement destinée à éliminer les sysops récents, mais uniquement à éviter le point que je viens de préciser. J'ai opté pour trois mois en voyant les commentaires sur la discussion de la PDD, mais si je n'avais écouté que moi, j'aurais exigé une ancienneté plus grande (bien que ce ne soit pas une garantie absolue).
Yves (discussion) 13 février 2013 à 08:01 (UTC)
Et bien moi je vais le dire haut et fort, je ne vois aucun problème à ce qu'un bureaucrate soit absent les samedis et dimanches et j'affirme qu'une présence sur 250 jour/année est amplement suffisante pour accomplir cette tâche. En fait je ne vois rien dans la tâche d'un bureaucrate sur wikinews qui ne puisse attendre deux ou trois jours (la durée d'une absence tel que mentionné par Yves). J'ajoute que pour moi la présence sur wikinews pendant une longue période est un élément des plus importants. Et je mentionne au passage que ne n'ai aucune envie de devenir bureaucrate ce qui me permet d'avoir l'esprit plus libre dans cette discussion. -- ChristianT (discussion) 13 février 2013 à 17:03 (UTC)
Je suis entièrement d'accord avec tout ce qu'Yves a dit. J'ai même indiqué six mois malgré le trois mois réclamé par tout le monde. À l'instar de ChristianT, je crois aussi que la présence de Yves est assez pour postuler au poste de bureaucrate, mais il faut avant tout qu'il veut entreprendre cette responsabilité et les tâches afférantes. Voilà ;) Amqui (discussion) 14 février 2013 à 02:53 (UTC)

Transfert de Wikipedia vers Wikinews[modifier le wikicode]

Bonjour,

Sur le bistro de Wikinews, et surtout sur w:fr:Discussion modèle:Pour Wikinews, une discussion a lieu quand aux modalités de transfert des articles de Wikipedia à Wikinews. Je me permets de vous contacter car il semblerait que vous utilisez Modèle:Copie de Wikipédia. Je vous remercie par avance pour votre réponse, Cordialement, --Juanes852 (discussion) 13 mars 2013 à 16:48 (UTC)

The Wikinewsie Group provisional board selection[modifier le wikicode]

Hi. You indicated an interest in supporting meta:The Wikinewsie Group. We are currently in the process of trying to determine the best time for a meeting to determine the composition of the provisional board of the organization. If you are interested in attending or possible running for the board, please go to meta:The Wikinewsie Group/Meetings and indicate which time would be best for you by 26 April. We plan to announce the time for the board meeting based on greatest potential availability on 28 April. --LauraHale (discussion) 19 avril 2013 à 04:33 (UTC)

Censure sur Wikinews — on est en plein dans le sujet[modifier le wikicode]

Bonjour Grondin volant. Et bonne année 2013, il est temps ! :-)

L'historique et le journal de la page « Censure sur Wikipédia : la Quadrature du Net s'inquiète du comportement de la DCRI » sont fort curieux. Je lis « Propos très litigieux ». Même un résumé de modif est masqué.

Qu'est-ce qui a été masqué ? De quoi cela parlait ? Qu'est-ce qui était si « litigieux » ? Un litige a démarré ? Quelqu'un a fait un procès à quelqu'un ? À Wikinews ?

Sur Wikinews, quelle est la politique en matière de masquage d'historique ? En matière de censure ?

Continuons la discussion ici.

--Nnemo (discussion) 19 avril 2013 à 22:27 (UTC)

The Wikinewsie Group[modifier le wikicode]

Hi. I apologize for not writing in French. If you have not seen meta:The Wikinewsie Group, please consider taking a look and signing up as a supporter of the organization's creation. It might be very beneficial for any French speaking Wikinews contributors. We are planning to have a meeting in the first week or two of May. If you sign up, please visit meta:The Wikinewsie Group/Meetings and indicate which time works best for you. --LauraHale (discussion) 21 avril 2013 à 02:18 (UTC)

Page:Sommaire[modifier le wikicode]

Bonjour Grondin, pour la page principale ; Page:Sommaire est-ce-que je pourrais la mettre à jour ? Merci beaucoup pour votre aide, amicalement. FrankyLeRoutier % Service après-vente 25 avril 2013 à 09:02 (UTC)

J'interviens dans cette discussion bien que je n'en sois pas le destinataire. Je pense que Bertrand ne m'e voudra pas.
Je pense que si l'on veut relooker ce sommaire des portails (qui n'est pas trop à jour Triste), il faut le faire en utilisant au maximum les DynamicPageList, afin qu'il se mette à jour automatiquement lors de la création d'un nouveau portail.
Yves (discussion) 25 avril 2013 à 11:07 (UTC)

The Wikinewsie Group provisional board selection meeting time[modifier le wikicode]

Hi. I apologize for not writing in French. This is to inform you that the meeting for the provisional board selection meeting for meta:The Wikinewsie Group will take place in Modèle:Irc on May 4, 2013 at 13:00 UTC, which is 8:00 in Mexico City, 9:00 in New York City, 15:00 in Berlin and 23:00 in Sydney. If you are interested in being on the provisional board but cannot attend, please comment at meta:Talk:The Wikinewsie Group/Meetings to let the community know. --LauraHale (discussion) 26 avril 2013 à 21:38 (UTC)

Forced user renames coming soon for SUL[modifier le wikicode]

Hi, sorry for writing in English. I'm writing to ask you, as a bureaucrat of this wiki, to translate and review the notification that will be sent to all users, also on this wiki, who will be forced to change their user name on May 27 and will probably need your help with renames. You may also want to help with the pages m:Rename practices and m:Global rename policy. Thank you, Nemo 3 mai 2013 à 13:24 (UTC)

Championnat de France de Rugby Pro D2 2012-2013 : les résultats de la vingt-sixième journée[modifier le wikicode]

Salut Grondin, Est-ce normal que tu n'as pas publié la page ci dessus ? mikani (talk talk) 14 mai 2013 à 11:22 (UTC)

Non, c'est un oubli.-- Bertrand GRONDIN  → (écrire) 14 mai 2013 à 14:36 (UTC)

Re : Droits de contributeur[modifier le wikicode]

Bonjour,

Merci de ta proposition. Je ne connais pas les procédures à ce sujet ici (s'il y en a), et comme tu peux le voir j'interviens rarement, mais si tu es prêt à m'accorder le statut, je présume que tu dois avoir confiance (ça pas la première fois qu'on se croise en même temps), je ne dirai pas non et je t'en remercierai évidemment. Xic667 (discussion) 16 mai 2013 à 19:03 (UTC)

Fait -- Bertrand GRONDIN  → (écrire) 17 mai 2013 à 14:53 (UTC)

Un transfert ?[modifier le wikicode]

Salut,

Peux-tu regarder pour transférer Abbaye de Montierneuf (Charente-Maritime) sur Wikipédia stp. Merci. --Mattho69 (discussion) 25 mai 2013 à 19:29 (UTC)

Fait -- Bertrand GRONDIN  → (écrire) 25 mai 2013 à 20:46 (UTC)
Merci--Mattho69 (discussion) 25 mai 2013 à 20:50 (UTC)

Est ce que GrondinBot pourrait faire ce travail ?[modifier le wikicode]

Bonjour Bertrand,

Suite à cette discussion, peux tu nous dire si nous devons modifier manuellement les 153 articles de la catégorie:Droits de l'Homme ou bien si cette tâche est facile à réaliser par GrondinBot ?

Merci d'avance pour ta réponse.

Yves (discussion) 10 juin 2013 à 11:35 (UTC)

Fait Affirmatif. -- Bertrand GRONDIN  → (écrire) 10 juin 2013 à 14:44 (UTC)

Assistance with understanding how much original reporting costs[modifier le wikicode]

Hello and I apologize for writing in English. As all language Wikinews improves, The Wikinewsie Group wants to be able better support original reporting done by contributors like you. One of our newsletters at The Wikinewsie Group/Newsletter said you have recently published an original report. This is why I am contacting you.

Members of the The Wikinewsie Group are trying to assess the costs associated with original reporting across all Wikinews projects. This way, we can determine how much original reporting currently costs, who is paying for it, what Wikinews and other projects get for these costs (especially when paid for by unpaid, volunteer contributor reporters). This information can then be used in applying for grants, measuring the success of Wikinews original reporting and seeing how reporters can be better supported. If you could complete this survey on that topic, we would very much appreciate it. We will try to anonymize the responses as best possible when writing up any report. Thank you very much for taking the time to fill it out (especially in English). Please do not hesitate to ask me or pi zero about any questions you may have about this research. We hope the results will enable us to better assist you in conducting more original reporting on Wikinews. --LauraHale (discussion) 14 août 2013 à 08:20 (UTC)

The Wikinewsie Group Newsletter - Edition 3, September 1, 2013[modifier le wikicode]

The Wikinewsie Group Newsletter

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The Wikinewsie Group News 
Edition 3, September 1, 2013
Education and Research
  • On English Wikinews, there is work to make some educational videos to assist users in understanding how the review process works, and how to write an article using screencast. Videos created so far include: A review of an English Wikinews article to let people see how that looks. , A walk through of an article being written for English Wikinews to let people see how one person writes an article., A walk through of creating an article on English Wikinews with a Doctor Who related news story as an example.
  • A few of the provisional board members had intense discussions about the preferred research practices to inform key decision making in regards to developing the most effective programming with the goals of 1) working with educators to instill core journalistic values, 2) engage in quality original reporting that can be shared across projects, and 3) improve the diversity and quantity of the current contributor base to Wikinews projects. The ideal research often depends on context, but that in doing on project related work, action research is probably the ideal as it is an outcome improvement driven approach.
  • In further regards to research methodologies, three of the provisional board members read The art, science and mystery of nonprofit news assessment by the Investigative Reporting Workshop. This document discusses some of the challenges non-profit related journalism sites have in assessment as it pertains to their own reporting. A discussion was also held regarding the issue of information anonymization when it comes to any research being conducted by The Wikinewsie Group using on Wikinews publicly accessible information, content and data. Sources looked at and discussed included Researching the public web and Forum Guide to Data Ethics. There is a feeling by some of the provisional board members that the WMF, through the Grants programs and the Program Evaluation and Design group need to provide greater guidance regarding what sort of information collection and analysis is expected, what privacy guidelines will be expected, what will be publicly expected, what will be privately expected, if these match and how to handle any discrepancy between these guidelines. At the same time, documentation for the WMF as it pertains to outcomes needs to be clear as to the audience and objectives in conducting the research. These issues become vitally important as increasing contributor output research differs from research focused on providing an environment to encourage best practices for journalists, with a goal of bringing more educators to the project to assist in accomplishing this goal.
  • Brian Keegan talked about newswork on Wikipedia from a Wikipedia perspective (that ignores definitions of news) and failed to acknowledge the importance of original reporting and citizen driven journalism in his negative critique of Wikinews. At the same time, he failed to acknowledge the lack of investment by the Wikimedia Foundation in supporting Wikinews and other sister projects in strategically growing and supporting the Foundation's mission.
Technology
  • Given the issues with spying on government listening to communications, Scoop will be 'deprecated', and the recipients list trimmed back progressively have the membership list culled to make sure only reviewers and accredited reports have access to reporter notes for story verification. A new mailbox will be set up for incoming material that needs the attention of reviewers. [6]
  • On English Wikinews, a draft has been started at Wikinews:Visual Editor to let the Visual Editor team know some of the issues involved in working on bringing VE live to the project. This is vitally important to be done right and that VE works with the only main entrance point to writing new articles, because if done without considering the gateway, it would create massive technical problems that would like make it impossible for article review for publication to be completed.
  • On English Wikinews, efforts are underway to see about using DPL to sort images by date and to better highlight featured articles that appear in a category by calling them out seperately. This is likely to be a long term, wikignome type activity. [7]
  • A bug was fixed in wmtran, the translation helper tool, to correct URLs of preview wiki-links. Relevant contact information is now also available at the tool page header.
Reporting
  • On English Wikinews, there has been a substantial amount of original reporting done in the past 18 months that involved the uploading both local multimedia and multimedia to Commons. An effort is underway to categorize these images locally better highlight the original reporting of the multimedia including type. It will also provide easier access for reporter to file photos for re-use in other articles. The major category work was done on 2012 Summer Paralympics.
  • Following Jimmy Wales's speech at Wikimania, The Wikinewsie Group reached out to him via e-mail to see how we could work with to accomplish his stated aims in the context of our proposed organization. There are a number of shared goals, including making it possible for Wikinews contributors to do original reporting full time on the project. Susequently, he has been engaging in dialog with several English Wikinews reporter on his Wikinews talk page.
  • A survey has been created to better understand the existing original reporting costs associated with current Wikinews production. Reporters across all languages who have contributed to original reporting on any language Wikinews project reported on in our newsletter have been pinged on their talk pages asking them to complete the survey. Three different language projects have been notified of the survey on Facebook. The survey has also been linked to on Twitter. The goal of the survey is to be able to understand the value of original reporting, where money is currently being spent and by whom, and to have data that will better enable The Wikinewsie Group and project volunteer reporters to apply for grants related to conducting more original reporting. Survey results are currently being processed with a plan of having some research published for reference in the next newsletter.

Opinion pieces

For our next newsletter, we are encouraging Wikinewsies to define news and how Wikinews provides it.


Original reporting

The following is a list of all original reporting done on Wikinews projects from August 1, 2013 to August 31, 2013. Includes a new language edition, Serbian Wikinews.

Ukrainian
See also: Авторський репортаж. The wiki uses nothing for the publish process.
Spanish
See also: Wikinoticias:Reportajes originales sin notas, Artículos publicados. The wiki uses a category for the publish process.
Russian
See also: Оригинальные репортажи, Опубликовано. The wiki uses a category for the publish process.
French
See also: Reportage original, Article publié. The wiki uses a category for the publish process.
Serbian
See also: Изворни извештај, Објављено. The wiki uses a category for the publish process.
Italian
See also: Notizia originale, Pubblicati. The wiki uses a category for the publish process.
Esperanto
See also: Originalaj raportaĵoj, Publikigitaj artikoloj. The wiki uses a category for the publish process.
Catalan
See also: Reportatges originals, Notícies publicades. The wiki uses a category for the publish process.
Polish
See also: Materiały autorskie. The wiki uses a category for the publish process.
English
See also: Original reporting, Published. The wiki uses flagged revisions for the publish process.
German
See also: Wikinews:Originalbericht, Veröffentlicht. The wiki uses a category for the publish process.

Encore un travail que GrondinBot pourrait peut-être accomplir[modifier le wikicode]

Bonjour Bertrand,

Est-ce que ton bot peut s'occuper de Ban Ki-moon ? Enfin, pas d l'homme, mais de sa catégorie Clin d'œil

Merci d'avance pour ta réponse.

Yves (discussion) 4 septembre 2013 à 08:25 (UTC)

Je m'en occupe tout de suite.-- Bertrand GRONDIN  → (écrire) 4 septembre 2013 à 19:12 (UTC)

File:W0233-Bellegarde AnciensCasernements 6092.JPG[modifier le wikicode]

Bonjour,

En ce qui concerne cette photographie. j'ai regardé attentivement la base Mérimée du ministère de la Culture. Dans la Médiathèque de l'Architecture du Patrimoine, sous le numéro MDP86046256 , la photographie de ce fortin figure sur cette notice et a pour légende « Redoute du côté sud ». Bien entendu, il ne faut pas la confondre avec celle du col de Panissars cadastrée AC 155 (Torre dels Burots) ou encore avec l'édifice en AC 134. C'est ce qui m'a amené à modifier la légende de l'image. De plus, ces bâtiments sont répertoriés comme « fortin » sur les cartes topographique de l'IGN ou encore comme « contraforts de Panissars » en catalan sur les cartes de l'ICC. Si tu pouvais y jeter un coup d'œil.

Bien amicalement. -- Bertrand GRONDIN  → (Talk) 05:31, 21 September 2013 (UTC)

Salut Bertrand.
La fiche : "Redoute du côté sud" ... C'est un peu vague. Les bâtiments que l'on voit sur la photo sont à l'extérieur et bien loin du fort, au sud, j'en conviens. De plus, si je me fie à la Wiki-définition du mot Redoute, si l’ouvrage présente des angles rentrants, c’est un fort et il y a des angles rentrants. Le Larousse 2013 dit Petit ouvrage de fortification isolé, de forme carrée, le Lexis ne précise pas que c'est carré. Je n'ai pas plus approfondi en visitant, par manque de temps. Si tu trouves une archive du plan, ce serait merveilleux Clin d'œil ...
Mais, si tu veux, remets ta légende, ce n'est pas bien grave. Par contre, tant que ce n'est pas vérifié, ne pas catégoriser en Redoute, stp.
Bon weekend. --Llann .\m/ (Lie 2 me ...) 15:43, 21 September 2013 (UTC)
On peut mettre comme légende, le terme de fortin, tel qu'il est indiqué sur la carte topographique de l'IGN n° 2549 OT. Je vais continuer mes recherches, et écrire, quand j'aurai du temps devant moi. -- Bertrand GRONDIN  → (Talk) 17:15, 21 September 2013 (UTC)
OK, je t'en prie :-), je suis très patient. --Llann Wé² (discussion) 21 septembre 2013 à 22:49 (UTC)

Ma candidature au poste d'administrateur[modifier le wikicode]

Bonjour Bertrand, Pour information, je t'informe de ma candidature au poste d'administrateur sur Wikinews. Par ailleurs, j'aimerai avoir ton avis sur l'utilisation des catégories sur Wikinews. Bien librement, --Copyleft (discussion) 24 septembre 2013 à 09:34 (UTC)

The Wikinewsie Group News : Edition 4, October 1, 2013[modifier le wikicode]

The Wikinewsie Group Newsletter

Sharing news about the group's activities
and things taking place on local Wikinews projects.

Modèle:Shortcut

Key resources

The Wikinewsie Group News 
Edition 4, October 1, 2013
Aff-Comm
  • The Bylaws review by aff-comm started in early September.[8][9]
Wikimedia Foundation
Research
  • Wikinews original reporting value as a measure of news events was published. This is the first in a series of research pieces looking at the cost of original reporting done by Wikinews journalists.
  • The second piece of research about Wikinews reporting was published, Itemizing the cost of Wikinews reporting. It was not published on the research namespace on meta because it has little application for chapters and thematic organizations as a whole, except possibly in trying to determine how to evaluate budgets submitted by Wikinews reporters for the purposes of grant making.
Education
  • On English Wikinews, supporters of The Wikinewsie Group requested the installation of the Education Program extension. This will facilitate having university courses participate on the project and make it easier for TWG to work with other groups like the Wiki Education Foundation.[11][12] The extension was installed and as an example and way to engage new contributors,a course for new reporters was created. Feedback on the course or anyone interested in running a high school or university course on Wikinews is encouraged to get in touch with The Wikinewsie Group.
Original reporting
  • Media accreditation has been attained for the 2014 Winter Paralympics. Planning is underway to insure the success of the original reporting event[13] and build on the success of the 2012 Summer Paralympics.[14] Success at the 2014 Winter Paralympics will go a long way towards helping The Wikinewsie Group secure accreditation for the 2016 Summer Olympics. If any individuals, chapters or thematic organizations are interested in assisting us with this and integrating it into existing outreach efforts to people with disabilities, please get in touch Laura Hale.
Outreach
  • A discussion took place on IRC about how Wikinews's definitions of journalism are very much tied into the workflow for Wikinews. [15] Thus, for many Wikinewsies, it is difficult to discuss the concept of what journalism is in a project context without it being seen as a fundamental discussion on project workflow. When people come in from the outside and offer advice, they are often seen as fundamentally criticizing the project's workflow without having any conceptualization they are doing that while fundamentally acting in good faith. In working with outsiders who are offering assistance, there needs to be a better method of articulating that the two, definition or journalism and Wikinews workflow, are one and the same. This could theoretically assist in less hostility, and enabling greater shared understanding that will allow participants to talk with each other instead of past each other.
  • Wikimetrics may be useful for assisting people in measuring education program impact, GLAM related programming and other outreach endeavors. For projects with flagged revisions or where articles are deleted/userified if they do not get published, the only really useable current available metric is pages created. Any analysis using this tool should wait until all content has been delete/userified because of too many false positives that suggest content was published when it was not. Additional information can be found at Programs:Resources.
  • Several language Wikinews projects which tweet out links other than to their news archives have started tagging their articles with the local language word for Wikinews. This makes it easier to find their reporting content, and for others to retweet their content. The Wikinewsie Group Twitter account made this request to better promote the work being done by local projects.


Technical
  • Wikinewsie.org e-mail is being cleaned up. All e-mail boxes which are 100% full have been deleted. Users who have set their accounts to forward to "untrustworthy" sites have been cautioned against doing so or those rules have been modified and reset with random values by the server administrator for them. People are reminded they should not be forwarding their e-mails to Google or Yahoo accounts. A strong possibility exists that this implementation may have been overly zealous so if a user is experiencing difficulties, please get in touch.[16]
  • Three potential technical projects for Wikinews were listed on the possible projects for mentorship programs on Mediawiki. They include a request for a mobile reporting tool, a mobile Wikinews application, and a machine assisted translation tool. [17]
  • Server upgrades and fixes continue for the Wikinewsie server. Details available here.
  • The wmtran tool has a new interface translation, to German, thanks to Huon.
For reporters
  • Reporters are encouraged to get an orcid, which can be displayed on their userpage. (Example) This could be useful in improving chances of getting grants, getting recognition for your reporting and promoting your work.
  • The Wikinewsie Group is looking for New York City based Wikimedia contributors who would be interested in getting published on Wikinews with the goal of getting media accreditation to the United Nations.[18] Please get in touch with Laura Hale or pi zero if you would like more information.


Original report

All original reporting done across Wikinews between September 1 and October 1, 2013. If this list is incomplete, please report that to Gryllida. Thank you to all Wikinews reporters and translators who have done original reporting. Please continue your good work.

Ukrainian
See also: Авторський репортаж. The wiki uses nothing for the publish process.
Spanish
See also: Wikinoticias:Reportajes originales sin notas, Artículos publicados. The wiki uses a category for the publish process.
Russian
See also: Оригинальные репортажи, Опубликовано. The wiki uses a category for the publish process.
French
See also: Reportage original, Article publié. The wiki uses a category for the publish process.
Serbian
See also: Изворни извештај, Објављено. The wiki uses a category for the publish process.
Chinese
See also: 原创报导, 已发布. The wiki uses a category for the publish process.
Polish
See also: Materiały autorskie. The wiki uses a category for the publish process.
English
See also: Original reporting, Published. The wiki uses flagged revisions for the publish process.

Création des pages journalières[modifier le wikicode]

Bonjour Bertrand,

En octobre 2012, tu m'écrivais « Je viens de mettre fin à ton calvaire concernant la création des pages d'évènements du jour. J'ai eu le temps de dresser mon bot aujourd'hui... » et cela a été pour moi, effectivement, un appréciable soulagement.

Or, ce matin, j'ai créé manuellement celle du mardi 1er octobre 2013. Y a t'il un problème avec ton bot ou bien s'agit-il d'un simple oubli ? (Autrement dit, faut-il que je m'y remette tous les jours Clin d'œil

Merci d'avance pour ta réponse.
Yves (discussion) 1 octobre 2013 à 10:49 (UTC)

Requête pour la Page:Azerbaïdjan[modifier le wikicode]

Requête : Pourriez-vous ajouter des liens italienne et polonaise pour la Page:Azerbaïdjan ?

it:Portale:Azerbaijan

pl:Portal:Azerbejdżan

Merci

Fait Interwikis faits.-- Bertrand GRONDIN  → (écrire) 17 octobre 2013 à 08:25 (UTC)

Renommages de pages de rugby[modifier le wikicode]

Bonsoir,

En renommant les pages de rugby à 15, position qui se défend parfaitement, n'oublie pas de modifier les lien dans le modèle {{dynastie}}, si cela n'est pas déjà fait. Bonne continuation. Quand tu auras fini, je lancerai mon bot pour les liens interwikis.-- Bertrand GRONDIN  → (écrire) 26 octobre 2013 à 17:15 (UTC)

Bonsoir,
Je pense l'avoir fait à moins que tu n'ai vu des oublis. Je compte renommer les pages encore accessibles des saisons précédentes mais sans doute pas aujourd'hui. Je te mettrai un mot lorsque j'aurai terminé. Petro (discussion) 26 octobre 2013 à 17:25 (UTC)
C'est d'accord. -- Bertrand GRONDIN  → (écrire) 26 octobre 2013 à 17:32 (UTC)
Fait. J'ai renommé toutes les pages encore accessibles. Petro [pronto?] 28 octobre 2013 à 15:43 (UTC)
((ca)) Està molt bé. Clin d'œil-- Bertrand GRONDIN  → (écrire) 28 octobre 2013 à 16:29 (UTC)

Brève[modifier le wikicode]

Bonjour,

Je suis nouveau sur Wikinews et je me posais une question. Après combien de temps les Brèves apparaissent-t-elles sur la bande déroulante de la page d'accueil ainsi que les pages comme celle-ci ? Cordialement.--SleaY (discussion) 26 octobre 2013 à 18:37 (UTC)

C'est très simple, un contributeur qui disposes des droits de relecture doit valider la page en question. Sinon, la wikification de tes pages me paraissent correctes, si ce n'est que quelques fautes de français, qui j'ai corrigées. Au bout d'un certain nombre de contribution régulières, tu pourras obtenir les droits de contributeurs (validation automatique des tes pages) sur simple demande de ta part.-- Bertrand GRONDIN  → (écrire) 26 octobre 2013 à 19:32 (UTC)

Nouveau sujet[modifier le wikicode]

Bonjour. Je viens de lancer un nouvel article : Espagne : Alberto Fabra, président de la Généralité valencienne, annonce la fermeture de Ràdio Televisió Valenciana‎. Je ne sais pas s’il y a des bricoles à faire, c'est pourquoi je me permets de t'écrire afin que tu fasses les vérifications nécessaires si tu en as le temps. Amicalement. Xic667 (discussion) 6 novembre 2013 à 15:27 (UTC)

Merci. Je n'ai pas trop le temps en fait, j'ai du travail et je viens d'y passer un bon bout de mon après-midi (j'ai une connexion très lente, j'y perds beeaucoup de temps). J'avais pensé laissé un message sur leur bistro (je ne sais pas si Wikinews ca est bien fréquenté...). Sinon j'essaierai de regarder cela ce week end (je n'aurai pas le temps avant). Xic667 (discussion) 6 novembre 2013 à 15:42 (UTC)

The Wikinewsie Group News - Edition 5, November 8, 2013[modifier le wikicode]

The Wikinewsie Group Newsletter

Sharing news about the group's activities
and things taking place on local Wikinews projects.

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Key resources

The Wikinewsie Group News 
Edition 5, November 8, 2013
Project news
  • The Wikinewsie Group/Local Wikinews policies is the start of a guide that explains local Wikinews project policies with the goal of making it easier to recognise credentials across project, build on accumulated reputation from one project to another and facilitate translation work.
  • Historical Czech Wikinews experiment is a blog entry by Okino that looks at the community impact of allowing writers to write Wikinews articles from a past perspective, IE writing a story about a historical battle as if you were a journalist writing that article the day after it happened. The purpose was to attempt to make Wikinews more collaborative in nature and avoid the time constraints of the immediacy of news reporting. Okino shows that while the reaction to the idea was positive, the true interest in writing the articles of this type was small as the vast majority of them were written by him.
  • A conversation is taking place on Wikinoticias about allowing CC-BY-NC images to be locally uploaded.[19]
  • A conversation is taking place on English Wikinews with a WMF staff member about the future of search and potential special search features for Wikinews projects.[20]
Training materials
A video for new reporters who lost their first article on English Wikinews
  • A one page guide and a screencast were created that explain how to avoid plagiarism on Wikinews. Available data suggests this is somewhat of an issue for new and student reporters on English Wikinews, with roughly 10 to 20% of all submitted articles having some sort of copyright issue.
  • Training materials were created to better support new reporters wanting to produce photo essays. They can be found at Photo Essays for Wikinews, Photojournalist worksheet, and Wikinews Photo Essay Formatting. Assistance is requested in translating these to other languages and localizing them to local project requirements. This would be very helpful ahead of the Sochi Paralympic Games, where there are expected to be a number of photo essays produced.
  • Given the difficulty of new reporters being unable to get their first article published on Wikinews, a video was created to encourage these writers to stick with it. It can be found at The first time writing for Wikinews good.ogv. It is somewhat tongue in cheek, and tries to address the emotional implications of a not ready review. The problem of getting new reporters who are unsuccessful at getting their article published has been identified as a major area for work. It has a large impact on reporter retention.
Of interest for journalists
Education
EduWiki 2013 presentation
  • Provisional Chairperson LauraHale is made a presentation at the EduWiki Conference 2013 in Cardiff, Wales about educational efforts on English Wikinews. Findings she included that changes in reviewing practices between semester 1 and semester 2 for one university course saw similar improvements for new reporters. What is good for students is good for the whole community.
  • With the Education Extension[21] installed successfully on English Wikinews, a portal was started at WN:EDU[22] to encourage and provide training for educators to use Wikinews in their coursework. This is something The Wikinewsie Group is hoping to expand upon in the future, and plans to try to get translated into other languages. Plans are also underway to create a student portal to provide training for students. Many things to Sage Ross for his assistance in setting up the educator portal.
GLAM
Spanish Swimmers at the 2013 IPC World Championships.pdf
  • The major GLAM work being done by a Wikinewsie at the moment is a Wikimedian in Residency with the Comité Paralímpico Español. A report was created this month for CPE based on interviews done in August. It can be found here.
  • Paralympic work being done with the US Olympic Committee is progressing.
Original reporting - summary

Between May 1 and October 31, when The Wikinewsie Group Newsletter first began tracking original reporting taking place across all projects, 227 stories have been published by 78 reporters 14 different language Wikinews projects. The projects with the greatest number of reporters engaged in original reporting were English with 15, Russian with 14, Polish with 13 and French with 10. Beyond these, original there were one or more journalists engaging in original reporting on Catalan, Chinese, Esperanto, German, Italian, Norwegian, Portuguese, Serbian, Spanish and Ukrainian. The peak month for reporting across all projects was May with 52 articles. It was followed by June with 49, August with 44, September with 43 and July with 39.

Wikinews original reports by project.png

In the past four months, Spanish, Polish, French, Ukrainian, Russian and English have all produced over 20 total pieces of original reporting, with Russian Wikinews publishing 41 stories and English Wikinews publishing 60 stories.

LauraHale, RockerballAustralia, Antanana, Agamitsudo, Dmitry Rozhkov, Plogi, Krassotkin, Schekinov Alexey Victorovich, and MadriCR have each produced 5 or more pieces of original reporting in the past four months. Another group of users, Joan301009, Bddpaux, Computron, Laslovarga, Fed4ev and Yakudza, have produced four articles each.

For September, only three pieces of 43 original reports produced were translated from one language to another. They were Wikinews interviews specialists on China, Iran, Russia support for al-Assad, Wikinews interviews Dr Thomas Scotto and Dr Steve Hewitt about potential US military intervention in Syria, Atlético de Madrid defeats Real Madrid 1-0 in 2013 derby and Tokio gana la sede de los Juegos Olímpicos 2020. Original reporting is a major strength of Wikinews. It is one we should be playing to. The Wikinewsie Group would like to encourage everyone to assist translating Wikinews work into another language, or finding a local reporter to assist with translating a work from where it was originally published into that language. This will benefit all languages, promote more cooperation between projects, and expand news reach for our reporting which we can leverage to provide more opportunities for reporters.

Original reporting output
Ukrainian
See also: Авторський репортаж. The wiki uses nothing for the publish process.
Spanish
See also: Wikinoticias:Reportajes originales sin notas, Artículos publicados. The wiki uses a category for the publish process.
Russian
See also: Оригинальные репортажи, Опубликовано. The wiki uses a category for the publish process.
French
See also: Reportage original, Article publié. The wiki uses a category for the publish process.
Serbian
See also: Изворни извештај, Објављено. The wiki uses a category for the publish process.
Chinese
See also: 原创报导, 已发布. The wiki uses a category for the publish process.
Polish
See also: Materiały autorskie. The wiki uses a category for the publish process.
English
See also: Original reporting, Published. The wiki uses flagged revisions for the publish process.
German
See also: Wikinews:Originalbericht, Veröffentlicht. The wiki uses a category for the publish process.

Message de bienvenue[modifier le wikicode]

Bonjour.

J'ai fais un lifting du message de bienvenue sur ma page de tests et je me demandais si je pouvais le mettre directement dans le modèle de bienvenue

Cordialement--SleaY(discuter) 19 novembre 2013 à 20:40 (UTC)

J'y suis favorable à titre personnel.-- Bertrand GRONDIN  → (écrire) 19 novembre 2013 à 23:09 (UTC)
+ Pour - Excellente initiative. Yves (discussion) 20 novembre 2013 à 11:26 (UTC)

The Wikinewsie Group News : Edition 6, December 2, 2013[modifier le wikicode]

The Wikinewsie Group Newsletter

Sharing news about the group's activities
and things taking place on local Wikinews projects.

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Key resources

The Wikinewsie Group News 
Edition 6, December 2, 2013

If you know anyone interested in Wikinews, journalism on Wikimedia projects or The Wikinewsie Group, please encourage them to subscribe to the newsletter by adding their name to the list.

The Group
  • Aff-comm recommended to the Wikimedia Foundation Board that The Wikinewsie Group be recognised as a thematic organization in early November.[23]
Education
  • Wikinews Education Program blog post was published on Wikimedia's official blog.
  • Discussions were had on IRC and Skype about the possibility of installing the education extension on Ukrainian, Czech and Korean Wikinews. While these could be used to potentially re-invigorate the local communities and provide a cohort of new contributors, the limited contributor base at the moment makes it difficult to implement. Greater partnerships would need to be done with chapters to provide people to assist local projects in running any education initiative.
  • What is news? handout was created to supplement existing training materials as this is an area where new contributors sometimes have issues on English Wikinews.
  • Documenting your original sport reporting was created to supplement Wikinews Original Sport Reporting. Assistance is requested in translating these documents into Spanish and Ukrainian.
Outreach
  • LauraHale attended Wikimedia CEE Meeting 2013 in Slovakia representing The Wikinewsie Group. She had conversations with people from several chapters about the potential to do things with TWG including the Polish, Estonian, Serbian, Czech and Ukrainian chapters.
Original reporting projects
  • The paperwork was submitted at the end of the month to send five Wikinews reporters to the Sochi Paralympic Games.
  • Attempts were made to secure media accreditation for the Commonwealth Games. The application was unsuccessful.

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Recent original reporting
Ukrainian
See also: Авторський репортаж. The wiki uses nothing for the publish process.
Spanish
See also: Wikinoticias:Reportajes originales sin notas, Artículos publicados. The wiki uses a category for the publish process.
Russian
See also: Оригинальные репортажи, Опубликовано. The wiki uses a category for the publish process.
French
See also: Reportage original, Article publié. The wiki uses a category for the publish process.
Italian
See also: Notizia originale, Pubblicati. The wiki uses a category for the publish process.
Esperanto
See also: Originalaj raportaĵoj, Publikigitaj artikoloj. The wiki uses a category for the publish process.
Polish
See also: Materiały autorskie. The wiki uses a category for the publish process.
English
See also: Original reporting, Published. The wiki uses flagged revisions for the publish process.

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German
See also: Wikinews:Originalbericht, Veröffentlicht. The wiki uses a category for the publish process.

Pré-configuration[modifier le wikicode]

Bonjour, simple rappel pour qu'il y ait un suivi de cette discussion. Merci. --SleaY(discuter) 9 décembre 2013 à 04:28 (UTC)